Moral: Long ago, I wrote that "Facebook was a metaphor" on several occasions, many times alluding to the various meanings and their universes. Well, we can take "full stack" which came to be in the web-age. Humans know. Too, they know goals. This series is about that, in part.
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So, I have been doing truth engineering for a long time. Would you believe, over my rational life? The computer brought new dynamics as I endured dissonance with people and their models. Mental (and spiritual) types (wtf, from an early age).
Academia? I am on the record as noting the descent of these folks. Take Harvard. High expectations from the time of Winthrop on down. Then, they went through the historical evolution of the U.S. Somewhere down the pike, they got money from a Loyalist (we're at the 250th of the U.S. Revolution, the early stages of which happened in April - Lexington/Concord - for US students, part of what they learn). That money was used to get away from their minister, as in churchman, focus. Engineering for one thing was introduced: Physics Department (their page references the Count; what is engineering? applied physics?).
BTW MIT, you didn't exist yet. But, in any case, are we seeing ramifications of secularism in the case of Harvard? In general, engineering's scoffing at the humanities? How is that going? Lots to discuss.
But we'll let this discussion drop, for now, as we start a discussion to inform other discussions in the context of what is needed to tame GenAI/LLM, in particular, and computing/technology, in general.
So, here goes: Psycho | Socio | Logico | Matho.
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Davis, extrordinaire |
But, the prime intent is we all start alone in our awareness. Others are not differentiated from ourselves until a bit of development happens. In terms of time, we are at the crux of the early grades of school (say, like the message of "everything that we need to know, we learn in kindergarten" - paraphrase). So, psycho is of the individual even though it relates to socio, sometimes to the extent of there being no real separation. Life is so clever in that way, throwing us curves.
Reason? Notice, Descartes figures heavily in this discussion. Some think that he layed out the proper view and use of such. However, we can also go back to the former times, including the contributions of Islam and those of the Greeks. Again, in this case, the order is being set by Jung who was repelled by algebra. Let's think of that. We know this from this talk with the author of the collective of Jung's reminiscing. The book is marvelous and worth some contemplative reading.
Why algebra? Well, looking in another direction, Eistein bewailed the influence of the mathematicians on his thinking. Oh yes. I brought in Physics above as this is an important thing to consider. And, matho is needed in the mix. You see, Davis who I will quote wrote that computiing is the child of mathtmatics. We concur especially as we look at the current situation.
Mind you, we will plumb all of these spaces in depth in the proper sense where GenAI/LLM cannot follow, yet it can serve as secretary, let's say. Or recorder of that which has to be brought back in a believable form.
After, I might add, we get stability, maturity, verifiability and a lot more as expected property of the beasts of computing. And, from now on, I will quit using buckets-of'-bits except for special usager wher we denote that which was lost. You see, the modern way is too much the victim of unnecessary distribution and optimization somewhat motivated by seeing "matho" as dealing with space and quantity.
Okay, Kant? He will be important. GenAI/LLM can't Kant. Most people can. That is one point: we can lift across levels such that judgment is preserved. Wait, that's conservative? Yep.
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We are early in the stage of this exploration of the situation and its properties so as to bring in causal relations, at some point, within a new framework. Computing is mostly of applied mathematics and physics as we see in the disciplines of engineering. And, computing has put its tenacles everywhere. Marvels abound recently, miraculously in terms of who is doing the observing. Awareness and the necessary judgments?
And, consciousness? Right now, we can explain this. But that's not on the table yet. We have to set up the discourse in a mature manner. That is computable. Ah? Gotcha? I said that the "discourse" can be handled; there are many other ways where we will use new methods (some of which might be via other modes of computing).
Operationally, all aware adults know of their insights even if they cannot put this into words. Actually, they know more than they give themselves credit for. And, others' opinions of the insights of any individual? Yes, important topic.
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Remarks: Modified: 05/03/2025
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